[3sfe]

Not sure if this has been added i couldn't find it anywhere.
The front calipers off the st18x series bolts straight on with no mods except of course bending back the dust shield a little to clear the bigger discs, oh yeah plus 14" rims and 15" rims if you go the aus gt4 ones and series 2 celica

[Shano2]

3sfe, on Sep 26 2005, 03:09 PM, said:

Not sure if this has been added i couldn't find it anywhere.
The front calipers off the st18x series bolts straight on with no mods except of course bending back the dust shield a little to clear the bigger discs, oh yeah plus 14" rims and 15" rims if you go the aus gt4 ones and series 2 celica

I have long suspected they are the same caliper (same pad) but have never held the two side by side to compare.

[myne]

I dont suppose anyone knows if the ae92 and ae82 twinky rear brakes are identical or not?

Reason I ask is I have ae92 gtz front discs and ae82 stock rear disks.
The pedal feels a bit squishy and generally has more travel than firmness.
While I've adapted, I'd much prefer to have the correct mastercylinder with the correct bias valve.
If the 82 and 92 rear discs are the same, I simply need an ae92gtz mastercylinder.
If they're not, what should I be using?

[Scorpion]

AE82 and AE92 rear calipers, discs and hubs are identical.
Handbrake cables depend on whether hatch or seca.

Change to bias won't affect squishiness. Make sure you bleed brakes in order of rear passenger, rear driver, front passenger, front driver side. (longest fluid pipe to shortest fluid pipe.)

Did you have rear discs or drums originally ?
Only difference in master cylinder between rear drum and rear disc version is the size of the two springs under the big green nuts where two of the the pipes join.

And be prepared for lousy handbrake grip when parking facing downhill with disc rear end.

[myne]

Factory rear discs.
So the master cyl is identical on the 92gtz and the stock 82 twinky?
The brakes have been bled, my only explaination for the squishyness is that the master cylinder has a narrower bore than what's required.

[Scorpion]

Brake fluid is for all intention purposes uncompressable. Therefore if your M/C and lines don't have any air in them there should not be any squishiness in them. Try putting the handbrake on and pump the brake pedal. If it gets rid of the squishiness the air ise likely to be in the rear lines/cylinders. If it doesn't - then check the fronts. Have you tested with and without the engine running ? Could be the effect of the m/c diaphragm that gives soft feel. I'm not aware of any difference in the diameter of the m/c between models. The AE82 twincam and AE92 SX m/c's look the same to me but I haven't measured the bore. Best bet is to get a pair of twinpot front calipers and discs from a superstrut AE101. Far bigger difference in braking performance over single pot variations. I had GTZ front brakes on my AE92 at one stage but the twinpots are far better.

p.s. You'd better put your location in your profile before the moderators get onto you. Cheers.

[ajay]

ok, i can't find this anywhere, but whats the size/compatability of ae92 4agze front brakes to an sx hatch? are they the same as s2 seca sx and gti? are they a straight bolt on like the gti?

thanks

[NDR008]

can someone send me the pics on page1 - it is asking me to login onto some other server to be able to see them, and i need the pics of the ae101 stuff to send to my dad PLS! :S

[The_Nug]

anyone got a part number for the pads that go into the twinspot calipers?

all i remember was that they were from an sw20 mr2... but i went to repco and the guy reckons there is like 3 diferent front pads for sw20's...

any help?!

[Toyrolla]

Nadir: I tried to e-mail to your hotmail nadirwhoever@hotmail.com but your box showed as full.

Dave: Did you try SW20 MR2 Turbo?

[The_Nug]

no i havnt tried the turbo...the guy at repco wants me to pull the pads out and take them down to match them up... but i just want to go in and buy the right parts as i cbf pulling my car apart and then having them say they will have to order it in... so i'd have to put it back together for no reason.. that would piss me off!

[Scorpion]

NVD50X:
As I put in the FAQ

TWINPOT SUPERSTRUT CALIPER KIT ( MR2; SW20 )
PN 210E0036 (Protex brand)

available through Brabond Brakes (Penshurst, Sydney)

I've done two conversions now and completely stripped down each set to give them a good cleanout as there was quite a bit of grime built up inside the caliper piston bores.

When reassembling the calipers, I found all four calipers had oversized piston seals, presumably just from age. One piston in each caliper would slide easily and the other required brute force - despite both having seals that were oversized.

So I tracked down caliper kits (with some difficulty) and finally got some through Brabond.

NOTE: Brake shoes are PN DB1352

[The_Nug]

sorry dude, i did have a quick look through the faq but i didnt see anything...

that PN DB1352 ... is that a DBA part number? if not what brand is that?

[Scorpion]

Disc Brakes Australia (DBA) is an Australian owned manufacturer of disc brake rotors and brake drums. (quote from the website)

DB1352 is an identifier for the pads.
Any brake place or spare parts place should recognise the format and/or have a conversion for the brand(s) they sell. You decide what brand you want after you ask them what brands they carry.

[The_Nug]

ahh i see... i was confusing race brakes with DBA (their distributor) they also sell pads...


thanks Scorpion.

[NDR008]

does anyone else have the full picture, coz the only version e-mailed to me lacks half the photo...
Thanks anyway for the effort.

[killabeez_1985]

Hey guys im really sorry for asking for this spoon fead info . i just dont wanna buy the wrong discs.


Superstrut brake conversion onto ae93 sx.
Can i get Front discs for my SX which will bolt straight on that can be machined down to 262mm.
I know that i can get the celica discs which are 5 stud , but is there a 4 stud disc that can just be machined down to fit.

I would really appreciate the name of the car which they would have come off.

[Scorpion]

Imported AE101 Corolla with superstrut front suspension - as per Shano2's FAQ.

If you can't interpret the catalogue on the DBA website ( www.dba.com.au ) why don't you give them a call and discuss it.

[killabeez_1985]

Scorpion did you read my post?

I read the FAQ several times. What im asking is!

Is there a 4 stud disc that can be used for the superstrut conversion on my SX!

can i use The later series SX disc? OR is the only disc i can use the ST185 disc (i have to get the holes re drilled.)

I made a little picture

[killabeez_1985]

Ok well ive bit the bullet and ordered the Rotors and pads aswell as getting the calipers recon/looked at.

I cant beleive how much money this is costing ... like around 500 bucks.

[Scorpion]

Some people have used the 258mm later series discs. The brake pads are apparently tright at the outer edge of the discs.

If you intend keeping your car for a while it'll be worth it. The twinspot front brakes are a big improvement over all the AE82/92 series front brakes.

[killabeez_1985]

Hey guys im in deep s##t , ive bought everything i need for the superstrut brake upgrade but ive missed one cruitial point.

I need the clip that holds the brake pad on the piston side of the caliper.
Without this my millions of dollars spent on brakes is useless.

[killabeez_1985]

nah ur thinking of a different clip i think , coz we went through the whole lot they had there and none were the same. Its all good i found the clip where i was grinding teh caliper anyway.

[The_Nug]

Scorpion, on Mar 25 2006, 08:57 PM, said:

Some people have used the 258mm later series discs. The brake pads are apparently tright at the outer edge of the discs.

If you intend keeping your car for a while it'll be worth it. The twinspot front brakes are a big improvement over all the AE82/92 series front brakes.

im using the sx seires 2 discs... its not the outer edge it close to.. its the inner edge...

i had major issues today in changing front pads...

ill tell the story in point form!

.................................................
well i ordered the pads last week.

db1357 like in the faq section.

and when i get there to pick em up

it says db1347

im like its wrong

and the chick goes ... nah its just coz these ones are ultimate, and you wanted advanced... they dont make db1357 in advanced so i had to get these instead

they didnt even call me to let me know

so i was like 130 bucks poorer after i bought them, instead of the normal 60

i took em with a bad feeling

so this morning i pull my brakes apart

to see that they are indeed wrong

i went back to repco and they had a bit of a cry

but gave me the ones i asked for

so i went home and fitted them

so i put them in, and the passenger side caliper wont slide out.. the 2 slide bolts are seized

managed to get the pads in anyway

but i took it for a drive

and the left side was braking on its own

so that caliper needs a rebuild for sure

so i had to pull it apart again and put the old pads back in

just so its drivable

and i dont wear the new pads out for nothing

so all up i pulled it apart and put it back together 3 times... all for nothin

coz now its the same as it was this morning

but worse coz now there is air in the system

im pretty sure the caliper needs a rebuild... so more dam money. stupid brakes.

end of crap story.

[DVS]

dam bitsa cars feel sorry for you guys

[killabeez_1985]

Local brake people reco'd my brakes last week it was about 100 per brake.

I think they did it on the cheap for me.

[AE93-TWINCAM]

I checked my brakes compared to a stock ae82 and the ones on my ae82 twincam are much bigger, Do the AE101 brakes come with single piston by any chance?
I'm just thinkin it could be the super strut ones.
If i posted a pic would it be possible someone could mention what brakes i had?
Thanx
Adrian

[Scorpion]

JDM AE82

Read the FAQ on brake upgrades and measure the diameter of your discs.
From memory, the Twincam brakes are 243mm - bigger than S1 AE92 SX. 256mm is diameter of S2 AE92 SX and GZE front discs. Local 101s came with single pot calipers - imports with superstruts are twinpots.

[killabeez_1985]

Hey guys ive never replaced calipers before and i just tried to bleed the brakes with no luck. My car has no brakes.

I have recoed superstrut calipers.

this is what i did:

fitted all the pads and caliper properly
Undid the bleed valve on the back of caliper about a turn
got a bleeding tube from supercheap
attached the bleeding tube and repeatedyly pumped my brakes untill the fluid got to the minimum level.
Then poured more fluid in.
kept pumping and got the pedal got tight.
Then as soon as i turned the ignition on and tried the brake it goes sloppy.

So im f##ked my brakes dont work.

[Trev084]

Did you do it by yaself? If so:

The best way to do it if you are by yaself is to pump the breaks first until they get hard. Then go to the wheel that has the longest brakeline (normally passenger rear) and put the tube on it but put the tube into a CLEAN jar that is half full of brake fluid, (this will allow the air to be pushed out and fluid to go back in. Pump it a few times and screw the bleeder back in. Check your fluid level. Now go to the Drivers side rear then to the passenger front and then onto the drivers front. It will go a little bit softer from the brake booster recieving power.

Another way to do it if you are by yaself is:
1. Get 4 jars (with 4 bleed tubes connected to your brakes) and half fill them with brake fluid.

2. Undo your bleed valves and give your brakes a good pump (make sure to top up your fluid).

3. Do all the valves back up and see how that goes.

If you have someone with you:

1. Pump your brakes a few times to get them hard.

2. hold your foot down on the brakes and get ur mate to release the bleed valve, (the pedal will fall) get your mate to tighten it back up once the fluid stops comin out, repeat this about 4 to times to each brake or until you are happy with the result

If this is too complicated tell me as i didnt wanna be here all day and i will explain it in msn.
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This post has been edited by Trev084: 08 April 2006 - 04:10 PM