[AIP]

greg_across_96, on Mar 23 2004, 04:49 PM, said:

AIP, or another WA person. What is the website for your dept Main roads over their, the one I get is a complete waste of time, wont even load up. http://www.mainroads.wa.gov.au/

that pretty much somes up everything to do with mainroads WA. nothing works

[AIP]

ooops. and that is the listing in the white pages Greg so i can't help ya with any other

[Greg]

I "eventually" got it to load up after about 30 goes. And then I couldnt find what I was after. I mean even the RTA web site has the traffic laws, points, infrigment penalties and updates on these laws but do you think i could find anything about the owner onus laws in WA, not a cracker on it. Not that I don't beleive you AIP about the law changing over their, just if I am to bring this up with the MCCofNSW I need something to present in writing which I cant find anywhere at the moment.

Greg.

[AIP]

i'll enquire for you tommorow coz I will be right across the road from the RTA and see if i can get something that gives details on it. then I will scan it and post it here for you just because i'm a nice guy.
that's providing i'm still able to post after a recent post of mine is viewed

[mustangX913]

7) Frontal Identification (John Schibel)

$60 million to implement front m/c numberplates in Australia. The ‘authorities’ are looking at installing dummy plates on m/c for 6 months. A cost-benefit analysis must be conducted for an ADR.

In NSW, m/c front numberplates are currently on the backburner. Keep up the pressure.

There was a belief that WA cameras should take pictures from the rear. However, BW mentioned that the status of WA’s owner onus legislation is currently unclear. BW also mentioned that some WA politicians appear reluctant to turn the cameras around and that certain other ‘senior people’ appear reluctant to commit adequate funding for road safety in WA.

[GIVE WAY]

I can confirm what AIP is saying about the onus being on the driver now in WA, although I don't have a link to a website where it says it in writing I have a speeding fine that spells it out clear as day.

Also whoever made the argument that it would be a financial burden on motorcyclists to have to pay speeding fines is really reaching for excuses.

[Greg]

The financial burden arguement has nothing to do with paying speeding fines, what it has to do with is the potential damage that poorly designed plates (as were first put forward at the time the financial burden arguement was presented, things seemed to have chainged since then) could introduce undue and unfair expence to riders in the modifications required to keep their bikes safe in both a stability and a mechanical sence. The MCCofNSW policy has always been "you do the crime you pay/do the time". This whole issue revolves around rider safety and undue financial burden, not the current speeding laws.

[mustangX913]

this is what us Vics call WHITE WASH

Subject:Road Safety - Motorcycle Number Plates
From:Date:Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:45:16 +1000



Dear Mr Stilgoe,

I write in relation to your feedback through the VicRoads web site
received 18 March 2004. A response has been prepared by a member of the VicRoads Road Safety Department. Please see the information provided below.

FRONT IDENTIFICATION AND SAFETY

It is not possible to provide statistics showing the effect that
introducing front identification for motorcycles would have in the
future.
However, research both in Australia and overseas shows a strong
relationship between speed and road safety. The research shows that
even a small increase in speed can increase crash risk significantly.
The reduction in average vehicle speeds across Melbourne as a result of
speed limit changes and the introduction of more stringent
enforcement has contributed to recent reductions in road deaths across Victoria.
Therefore, strict enforcement of speed limits is undertaken as a crucial
part of reducing the level of road trauma. It is important that all vehicles
can be readily identified to enable effective enforcement of the road laws
and it is for this reason that front identification for motorcycles is
being investigated.

At this point, no decision has been made on the implementation of front
identification for motorcycles. However, VicRoads is consulting with other
jurisdictions, manufacturers, the Victorian Motorcycle Advisory Council
(VMAC) and motorcyclists to determine the feasibility and safety of
using a self-adhesive decal or rubber fixture to show the motorcycle's
registration number on the front. Both the decal and fixture would be carefully tested for safety and durability, and designed to cater for the different types of motorcycles on the market.

This post has been edited by mustangX913: 20 April 2004 - 11:11 PM

[IllusiveDreams]

If there is no problem.......i.e. i cant see the issue...
in a court you have to defend you self to a charge .....here we didnt commit a crime yet they still want to convict us ...

shouldnt the government justify it self to us??

[Greg]

What the governement "should" do so far as common sence is concerned and what they "do" do are in no way related. If the governemnt were logical, their wouldnt be any polliticians.

[flightcrank]

Quote

National implementaion by mid 2004?

i guess not

[Greg]

Nahh the 2004 implementation got quashed by several motorcycle lobby groups. However the Gov is lining up for round 2. Now they reccon mid 2005 to late 2006 if the gov gets its way.

[iffracem]

G'day all, I'm a newbie to these forums, just getting back on a bike after a 20+ year layoff (and starting from scratch with a learners and a 250... ie an Across ) I'd like to add my two cents worth

Have a read the Dec 04(Vol29) edition of Australian Road Rider, they have a great write up on road safety, and an interview with the closest thing we have to a federal politician that rides a bike.
The Honorable (jeez, how did politicians get that title??) Dr Brendan Nelson, bona fide medico and minister for education, science and training.

Bit late now as the oz public has done the unthinkable and given one party power over both houses (or they will in July).. But if you want to lobby someone, then you *may* be able to get somewhere with him.

Also, as lobby groups (any state bike association) try to get the bike manufacturers involved, here in Tas they seem to be fighting hard as an industry in the ongoing investigations into quad bike accidents (pollies want rollover protection fitted, they are fighting against it on safety grounds, you just can't control a quad when you're strapped to it)

My son died in August 2003, he was riding a quad bike at ~25 kph and lost control, no helmet, died of head injuries, so I'm all for making our sport/transport safer... But there is NO WAY I'll support legislation that doesn't do anything to help improve safety, such as rollbars on quads, or front plates on bikes, or targetting one area of transport over another.

Another idea.... lets all support one of us (an experienced rider) per state in the next senate election, if we get 2 or 3 in power, we've got a better chance of protecting our rights. Use the basis of polution/fuel savings/less congestion/less parking space required (how many tintops do you see every day with just the driver, no passengers?). Use the arguments above to get more people riding, more bums on bike seats = more potential lost votes to pollies... nothing scares a pollie like lost votes. As a single issue "independent" each senator we get in won't be corrupted by the party system, or big business. Just imagine, getting paid to go visiting bikers all around your state!!

Yet another idea, as many as possible should fit cameras to bikes, and record what actually happens on the road, don't show the results to pollies and their staff, show it on ACA etc.

JJ

[Greg]

Hi iffracem. Currnetly several majour motorcycle loby groups are forming a National Motorcycle Council for that exact reason. To date at the best of my knowledge the current sign ons are the Qld & Vic AMA, MCCofNSW and MRU vic. Other state based groups have been invited to join but I havent heard anything since early December on this. And while their was info on this up on the MCCofNSW web site, it seems to have disapeared. I'll get in touch with one of the web ferrets for that site that I ride with and see whats going on. I'm not sure what the Tas state motorcycle body is called, but their is one down their. Look them up and present your ideas.

Greg.

[JamesLaugesen]

Welcome iffracem, very well said.
I've been pondering the camera idea for a little while (not just for filming twisties and girls ).

[iffracem]

greg_across_96, on Jan 6 2005, 01:00 AM, said:

I'm not sure what the Tas state motorcycle body is called, but their is one down their.  Look them up and present your ideas.

Sadly most groups in Tas (of any type) aren't that organised/comitted, I think it's part of the whole relaxed, no stress lifestyle

I'm not interested in the MRA down here, not my style, but I'm looking at joining the Ulysses Tas chapter as a junior member (it's so cool, at 44, to be a junior anything!)

I'll be looking to add a small removable wireless camera to the Across, the "boot' will be the ideal place to store a receiver/storage unit. I'm in IT, so thinking of a home built linux based mobile pc doo-hickey (that's a technical term ) that can be fitted/removed asrequired.

The results of just commutting the 23k's (each way) to work each day for a week would make a great horror/action movie
If it works (and cash-time permitting) I'll keep you posted.

[Greg]

Heh, Ulysees are a part of the AMRA (left the R out earlier, opps ) in Qld and Vic and MccofNSW here at least. As far as I'm aware an individual can not join the AMRA (as is the case for the MCCofNSW), only clubs can so you have to be a member of an incorperated club. By approaching what I am pretty sure now is the AMRA (Australian Motorcycle Riders Association) in Tas I meant so as to put forward any ideas re political representation you may have for consideration.

[iffracem]

AH! Gotchya, I must've read your post wrong, or more typically just assumed wrong

anyways, I'll join ulysses once I get the full licence, then I hope to get more active in all things motorcycling, including the politics.

I bought the Across today, managed to get a minor service/tune before I pick it up, and the next "book" service due. From what I saw/heard/felt its all in good nick, good tyres, pads, rotors, no smoke, no undue rattles, all seemed good and "tight".

From next week it wont cost me $95 a fortnight to ride in a bus to work

JJ

[mustangX913]

Get ready for Front Number Plates......................


taken from the AMC mail list

Quote

The current state of play for some form of front identification on motorcycles.
According to the Federal Governments National Road Safety Strategy 2001-2010 Progress Report dated November 2005

Extract:-
Action to complete:Implement frontal identification systems for motorcycles.



Federal and State positions:
Australian Government: contributed funds Victorian project awaiting results prototype testing.
Victoria: Prototype plate developed.
Accelerated durability testing beingundertaken.
Contract let for material selection.
Project completion scheduled for end of 2006.

Queensland:
QLD Transport has contributed financially to the SCOT project
on Front Identification Numberplates for Motorbikes, being undertaken by Vicroads
QT is also examining options such as Radio Frequency Identification Devices
through its motorbike research project.

Western Australia:
WA is a partner in national motorcycle front identification
project being led by VicRoads.
Police are currently trialling front motorcycle decal stick on) front number plate identifiers on patrol motorcycles.

Tasmania, New South Wales,South Australia and the Northern Territory:
All are contributing funds and are awaiting Victoria to complete its prototype development and recommendations

This post has been edited by mustangX913: 24 January 2006 - 10:38 AM

[Greg]

Front numberplates are gorneski, kaput, not gona happen.

Well for the foreseable future at least. In short, common sence prevailed.

Update from Guy Stanford, chairman of the MCCofNSW.

Quote

From: "Guy Stanford" <sstanfor@bigpond.net.au>
To: "MCC-Delegates" <MCC-delegates@hagus.net>
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:11:55 +1000
Subject: [Mcc-delegates] RIP front plates


Front Numberplates for motorcycles are gone, taken
off the National agenda
for action.
It's over. The ignorant finger of blame has been
withdrawn.

I am pleased to inform you that the National Road
Safety Action Plan 2007
and 2008 was approved today by the Australian
Transport Council. Release of
the new Plan was announced in a joint media
statement by Ministers Lloyd and
Vaile

http://www.ministers.dotars.gov.au/jl/rele...r/L130_2006.htm

and the document can be accessed directly from the
ATC website at the
following address:

http://www.atcouncil.gov.au/documents/nrss...onplan_0708.pdf.

The NRSS AP document is about 4Mb to download.

Riveting reading.

This particular NRSS AP is the best I have seen.
There is evidence of open minds and thoughtful
inquiry.
It is not all agreeable, but much more reasonable.

Reason and common sense have come forward.
We need to give recognition to this, encourage it,
give praise to the NRSS
Panel members.

I am pleased that common sense has prevailed and the
silly proposal has
finally been dropped.

Guy Stanford
MCC of NSW


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Mcc-delegates mailing list
Mcc-delegates@hagus.net

[flightcrank]

good news for aus

[Triple]

Look at what we (QLD's) might be getting instead. You guys might be too.

[Greg]

Yeah I heard about that. they were dead set on using the existing toll road tags here in NSW untill they realised that none of these tags are bike suitable (their words, not ours)