[Dascal101]

Hey all, I'm only new. Just wanted to show you guys some pics of my car She's a 93' Holden Nova, no mods, only a louder muffler so far. Getting 15' rims on soon and hopefully a 2 1/4 pipe, and then if funds allow a drop of an inch or so so that the car doesn't look so high in the wheel arch

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[guillaume]

hey i got a nova too! what are your plans for it? engine swap? what model is yours? SLX, GS? is it a 4afe 4afc or 7afe?

[Dascal101]

4afe, can't remember model, sedan but. Would love to do a 4age swap but have no idea who could do it. Just got some new 15's on and plan on doing exhausts system soon with headers

[Dascal101]

Just darkened the tail lights and de badged her. exhaust next

[choicesx]

4age swap is easy..........

[Dascal101]

but is it worth it for that much more power?

[Rowbo]

Is it worth it? Yeah its worth it as there are many bolt-ons for the 4age which can enhance power and torque. Moreso than the engine you got now.

[Dascal101]

is it better to buy a half cut?

[offziide93]

yeah half-cut is usually better as it gives you everything you need plus extras like brakes, hubs, sway bars, etc if those parts fit. Try get a half-cut with superstrut brakes.

[Dascal101]

haha ok update guys, a mechanic friend of mine decided he wants to take on the nova as another project, he has just finished turboing a charade , and we've both decided to make the quickest 4afe on the east side of Oz, he knows what he's doing lol (just rebuilt his 180 to 455 hp) so hopefully it'll keep the sleeper look. so currently we are trying to find internals or just someone to forge them for us, then it'll be the car the cops hate of the gold coast

[Rowbo]

there is a guy in the US who has a 4afe and he replaced the bottom end with full 4age parts (crank, pistons, rods). He also used ARP 4age main and head studs. He oversized the head pins by 1mmO/S. He also changed the cams as well and custom built a intake plenum. He also turboed it. He runs a Haltech engine management system with 3sgte fuel injectors and braided lines. His engine made 300hp at the wheels and soon once he changes fuel injectors it will be making close to 400hp at the wheels. It can be done but it is alot of money involved if you want to do it properly.

He has also done alot of work to his driveline to keep it straight down the line. All of this is in an ae102 sedan corolla. Awesome car but the bodywork looks riced up in my opinion.

[Dascal101]

yeah I've seen that, Plans were to turbo my car, but i've found a 101 half cut with silvertop, just have to finish paying off a cruise and then I'm starting to save for that, i'm gonna make an NA screamer, and slap on parts to improve handling and braking

[Dascal101]

Update, installed strut brace and have possible found a 4age 16v that may be up for sale soon, then either coil overs or strut and spring combination

[choicesx]

I reckon you should make this a 4wd corolla

[Dascal101]

Nah people on the other twin cam pretty much said I'm a retard for thinking it, they were meant to support the idea but instead forced their ideas

[Dascal101]

But yeah choice I'm pretty keen to fix her up, as soon as I get photos etc I'll throw em up, next step is watching the auctions for a manual ae92 to rip the manual gear out of it, then tracking down the age

[Harreh]

Dascal101, on 17 July 2011 - 08:36 AM, said:

Nah people on the other twin cam pretty much said I'm a retard for thinking it, they were meant to support the idea but instead forced their ideas

Curse them handsome devils

[twinky 20]

Dascal101, on 17 July 2011 - 08:36 AM, said:

they were meant to support the idea but instead forced their ideas

LOL........ Since when does anyone have to support your ideas? As a community people have the obligation to steer you away from money/time wasting ideas.
Besides that you are not always going to get into everyones pants, sometimes you will give them crabs. You just have to take it on the chin and keep going.
If you really want to go down the 4WD route then sure go ahead, just search it on google and see how many people have started and then just dropped the idea.
You are still new to car modding so ofcourse you are going to see it as just hating, but when you really get into it and have a couple of failures you
will begin to understand that some ideas are innovative and some just naive.

People haven't been doing 4AGE swaps just because it's the thing to do but because it's the most viable option. If you have thousands of dollars lying around then sure
go down the SR/CA/3S blah blah route. In my opinion if you can find a 20 valve then go for that as they can be bought for the same price as a 16v and make more power
and rev out further. Without any mods mine made 90kw at the wheels, most standard 16v make around the 70 mark from what I have seen.

And just because I like to reminisce of my past 20 valve twinky here she is.

[Dascal101]

My point is that I asked a question saying would would need to be done etc, and instead they started insulting me and saying that I know nothing etc. No one of them offered advice on how to do it which was the basis of my question

[twinky 20]

They did tell you how to do it......... Then you refused to listen when they told you the problems involved with it.

Put it this way. If I wanted to torture your pet in the most sadistic fashion would you give me advice on how to go about it?


I really find it frustrating when the community was spoon feeding you all the information you needed to help you out with your engine choices
and in the end when baby didn't get his lollypop he threw a tanty, called it the worst forum ever, picked up his toys and left.
Shows maturity right there.

You need to stop dreaming and face reality that it is going to be a long difficult road and you are not always going to be happy with
the only options that are presented to you. People that are giving you ideas of 4wd should fuck right off because it starts all this shit
and gives you false hopes.

This post has been edited by twinky 20: 19 July 2011 - 11:13 AM

[twinky 20]

There you go, buy your self one of these, do what he has done and all of your wet dreams will come true.

http://www.twincam.o...ae95-awd-wagon/

And it would end up cheaper with less headaches. Post is old yes but you get the idea.

This post has been edited by twinky 20: 19 July 2011 - 11:35 AM

[Dascal101]

The person who gave me the idea is one of my good friends who has offered me the ae95 wagon that had the engine die which doesn't matter since I won't be using the engine, and he is also doing all the work

[twinky 20]

I guess the only way for you to learn is to actually do something. Go ahead but be warned, when this project fails and you want to sell up make sure
that you haven't chopped up the car so at least you can get some money back.

[twinky 20]

Just some bases for you to cover.

Custom tail shaft
Custom engine mounts
Is the front end of your nova comparable to the AE95? As in will steering get in the way? Cross members getting in the way?
Rear end hard points to mount diff (dependant on what type of diff, may not need any mounting if not IRS)
Rear end hard points to mount custom suspension(has to be mounted with precision)
Extension of drive shaft tunnel
Fabrication of new floor pan to fit rear axles
Possible fuel tank relocation
Chassis strengthening

Now move on to the engine,

What engine?
Wiring loom?
Fuel system?
Splicing to current dash indicators?


This is not something that you can knock over in a weekend with a few beers. This is serious engineering.

This post has been edited by twinky 20: 19 July 2011 - 03:44 PM

[choicesx]

Haha looks like you are being given shit here too...

To be honest unless you buy a smashed sx, it is an expensive exercise to transplate the 4age into your nova. Allot of work to transplant the engine, wiring modifications, you've gotta esentially repin or rip the dash out and replace the dash loom. If you pay someone you are up for the following labour

4 hours removal engine
2 hours removal of dash
3 hours installation of new loom / dash
5 hours reinstallation of engine

So realistically 1600 in labour, $1500 - 2k for engine / parts. And

Maybe you should sell your car and buy a BMX and add some training wheels, that way it'll be 3wd.

[Dascal101]

I can't escape it choice haha

[twinky 20]

choicesx, on 19 July 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

Haha looks like you are being given shit here too...

To be honest unless you buy a smashed sx, it is an expensive exercise to transplate the 4age into your nova. Allot of work to transplant the engine, wiring modifications, you've gotta esentially repin or rip the dash out and replace the dash loom. If you pay someone you are up for the following labour

4 hours removal engine
2 hours removal of dash
3 hours installation of new loom / dash
5 hours reinstallation of engine

So realistically 1600 in labour, $1500 - 2k for engine / parts. And

Maybe you should sell your car and buy a BMX and add some training wheels, that way it'll be 3wd.

Yup, best option by far is to buy a smashed wreck with your desired engine inside. Back in the day I bought a smashed SX with a 20 valve conversion already done for $1400.
Swapped it into my twinky myself. With the wiring loom I simply just transplanted the whole lot. So basically I had an SX wiring loom in place of an AE82 loom.
The you also get the rest of the goodies ie. brakes, fuel pumps, fuel lines, filters etc etc. So engine wise you can get away on the cheap if you have the skills to do it yourself.

But the 4WD thing you persist with...... DON'T DO IT!
In all seriousness you are not going to get much help with it as not many people have done it before and definitely not on this forum.
So by all mean fire away! It's going to be the only way for you to see the big picture as well as the hurdles involved.
As fun as it sounds in your head, reality will hit you on the head and in the pocket.

[choicesx]

If you want a 4wd nova, go for it, you'll burn through 10-20k and still not have it running. Even with your mate doing most of the work.

Then when it is done , it'll still be a nova, worth maybe 3-4k, double that if you find the right buyer. It'll take easily 6-12 months to build / complete and not to mention the issues you'll have getting it engineered etc.
Much easier / quicker to spend 12k and buy a wrx.

Its great to have ideas / dreams, but lighten up and accept what you are proposing is not a good idea. Spend your cash on a house or something worthwhile.

[4wd4aftenova]

i can't fap to this

[choicesx]

Any updates? or are you still sulking over the insult i gave you in the tech thread?